Of Mess and Moxie: Wrangling Delight Out of This Wild and Glorious Life

Of Mess and Moxie: Wrangling Delight Out of This Wild and Glorious Life

New York Times bestselling author Jen Hatmaker, with playful hilarity, shameless honesty, and refreshing insight, assures readers they have all the pluck they need for vibrant, courageous, grace-filled lives.Jen Hatmaker believes backbone is the birthright of every woman. Women have been demonstrating resiliency and resolve since forever. They have incredibly strong shou...

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  • April  L

    Of Mess and Moxie has given me permission. Permission to be exactly who I am, permission to create, permission to fight for what I believe in and to build the kind of rich, wild, moxie-filled community that exudes love, grace and acceptance. "This wild and glorious life" is so full of joy and with these permissions, we can live it freely!

    As a 30 year old single woman, books like Of Mess and Moxie can make me nervous. I don't need the reminder that I'm single, or childless when I so desire those

    Of Mess and Moxie has given me permission. Permission to be exactly who I am, permission to create, permission to fight for what I believe in and to build the kind of rich, wild, moxie-filled community that exudes love, grace and acceptance. "This wild and glorious life" is so full of joy and with these permissions, we can live it freely!

    As a 30 year old single woman, books like Of Mess and Moxie can make me nervous. I don't need the reminder that I'm single, or childless when I so desire those things. Jen doesn't do that. I feel valued and loved for who I am - - even important and necessary. I get to learn about the journeys of wives and mothers in a way that doesn't bring envy or loss, but understanding and empathy. Oh and as a teacher, no one has ever made me feel more valued and understood. Jen Hatmaker is a cheerleader for every kind of woman and, as my grandma would say, it just tickles me silly to be a part of her tribe!

  • Elizabeth

    Of Mess and Moxie is Jen Hatmaker's love letter to the girls - the young ones, the old ones, the ones in the middle - who are walking this journey of life in all it's joy and sadness. The girls who are nailing it and the girls who feel like they just don't measure up. The girls who have it all together and the girls who feel like they only ever fall short. The girls who feel "just medium", who are afraid they are messing it all up and can't see how brightly they actually shine. So, really, for a

    Of Mess and Moxie is Jen Hatmaker's love letter to the girls - the young ones, the old ones, the ones in the middle - who are walking this journey of life in all it's joy and sadness. The girls who are nailing it and the girls who feel like they just don't measure up. The girls who have it all together and the girls who feel like they only ever fall short. The girls who feel "just medium", who are afraid they are messing it all up and can't see how brightly they actually shine. So, really, for all of us.

    This book is funny, poignant, smart, kind, honest ,affirming, and full of joy. It's like a 4-hour talk with your best friend. It is the embrace of sisterhood that all women need. Jen Hatmaker says she is forever our fangirl - well, I'm forever hers. Highly recommended.

    (I received an advance copy from the publisher in exchange for my honest opinion.)

  • Lindsey Kramer

    This book was fantastic! It's full of funny stories, great recipes and lots of tidbits about how to navigate this messy thing called life. Jen Hatmaker is one of my favorite authors because her outlook on life makes you feel like you've known her for years. She seems like the kind of friend that you can call on for just about anything. I also love her approach to life from a quirky Christian woman's point of view. She's warm, she's caring, and she accepts all of us for who we are flaws and all.

    This book was fantastic! It's full of funny stories, great recipes and lots of tidbits about how to navigate this messy thing called life. Jen Hatmaker is one of my favorite authors because her outlook on life makes you feel like you've known her for years. She seems like the kind of friend that you can call on for just about anything. I also love her approach to life from a quirky Christian woman's point of view. She's warm, she's caring, and she accepts all of us for who we are flaws and all. This is a great book for women at all stages of life.

  • Anna LeBaron

    Jen Hatmaker does it AGAIN! If you read and loved her previous book, For The Love, then this book is for you!

    I laughed so hard at the hilarious parts...and then cried real tears as she reached down into the tender places that needed her words. Jen tells the truth and then wraps it up with a sassy bow. Of Mess And Moxie is another gift to the world.

    I received an advance reader copy from the publisher.

  • Brooke — brooklynnnnereads

    I'm giving this book a 3.5 star rating but rounding it up to 4 stars because I liked it more than my average 3 star but it isn't quite what I would consider a 4 (picky, I know).

    This was a funny, relatable, and meaningful read. I think it would suit a variety of age ranges and in different stages of life. Whether you are young, old, married, single, with kids, or without kids, I think there are parts of this book that will be relatable to all. I will disclaim though that this book is mostly geare

    I'm giving this book a 3.5 star rating but rounding it up to 4 stars because I liked it more than my average 3 star but it isn't quite what I would consider a 4 (picky, I know).

    This was a funny, relatable, and meaningful read. I think it would suit a variety of age ranges and in different stages of life. Whether you are young, old, married, single, with kids, or without kids, I think there are parts of this book that will be relatable to all. I will disclaim though that this book is mostly geared towards women. There probably will be some men that would enjoy it also but hey, when a section references "This One's For The Girls", it probable is more directed toward the female population.

    This book was the perfect combination of humour as well as topics that are difficulties in everyday life. Jen Hatmaker really did come across as a friend (or the inner workings of my own mind). Also included are recipes making this quite the well-rounded book. It includes serious introspective chapters, funny chapters to relate to, and laughable lists which are also relatable.

    I will definitely be looking out for more written by Jen Hatmaker in the future!

  • Ticcoa Leister

    With wit and whimsy, tenderness and tenacity, Jen Hatmaker once again balances the sacred and the sarcastic, giving her readers permission to admit their messes and live with unashamed moxie. Of Mess and Moxie was cathartic and refreshing, leaving me with a sense of having spent an afternoon with a familiar friend. I received an Advance Readers Copy of OMAM in exchange for an honest review.

  • Ashley (5171MilesBooks)

    Thank you to Netgalley and Thomas Nelson Publishing for granting my wish for this book!

    If you haven't read a Jen Hatmaker book yet, or aren't following her on social media, you're sorely missing out on hilarious honesty that comes when a woman has raised five children, been through a home renovation on television, and accrued the insight of a life working for God. When I saw she was releasing another book, I knew I would enjoy the hilarity

    Thank you to Netgalley and Thomas Nelson Publishing for granting my wish for this book!

    If you haven't read a Jen Hatmaker book yet, or aren't following her on social media, you're sorely missing out on hilarious honesty that comes when a woman has raised five children, been through a home renovation on television, and accrued the insight of a life working for God. When I saw she was releasing another book, I knew I would enjoy the hilarity inside. The first half of this book was exactly that for me. I especially loved Jen's lists titled, "How to Plan a Family", "How to Wake your Children up Peacefully from Naptime", or "How to get your Husband to Fix that Thing He's Been Saying for 3 Months that He'd Fix." These lists included split-your-sides-laughing truths such as, "Make out with your spouse. Have twins, making your child count five in five years" and "Pick up a hammer and walk in the general direction of the broken thing. This should effectively catapult your husband off the couch and into disgruntled service: 'I said I would do that!'" She perfectly describes every middle-class American family's woes in the most comical and relatable sense!

    About halfway through the book, however, I found myself having second thoughts about this novel as Jen veers slightly left with her thoughts and theology. I felt as if she was trying to appease the World while still relating to Christians - two paths that often cannot parallel. As she goes on to describe loving people, I felt entirely conflicted. I know we are to love all people, include all people at our tables, and serve people as Jesus did. Unfortunately, love and acceptance are not the same things. I fear Jen may misguide people into believing all Christians are doing things wrong, creating an even bigger divide. 

    With a Liberal dose of love, everything can be right in the world. We live in a place where love and acceptance are favored over Truth. That roaring lion, also known as Satan is as sly as a fox. Of course he would use the one good and pure thing we have in the world and convince us we’re doing it wrong.

    We’re loving to spread tolerance, sure we’re doing the work of Jesus. We’re loving to spare feelings. We’re loving people to death, but losing their most important part when death meets us head on...the soul.

    The truth is hard to face, sometimes it hurts, but our duty as Christians is to walk in its Light. Unfortunately, with parts of this book, I feel Jen Hatmaker has veered to the shadows. The light is a little dimmer, it doesn’t burn the eyes quite as badly, but still isn’t too dark to see. I wouldn’t look to this book for spiritual guidance or theology, but I did find fun, humanity and community inside the pages. I don't for one minute doubt Jen Hatmaker's Faith or love of God, but I simply don't agree with much of her theology. I think Christians would do well to compare notes with the Bible to find where they should Biblically stand on issues represented in these pages.

    Like Jen said,

    While this book had numerous laugh-out-loud moments, good recipes I will be giving a go, and a sense of sisterhood that made me feel less alone as a mother, I still am on the fence about this book as a whole. I loved big chunks of the writing, but felt as if this was cross between a secular book and a Christian book in other ways. Unfortunately, the mixed messages I experienced were hard to reconcile. Nonetheless, I'd love to thank Jen for making me laugh!

  • Denise

    If you're a Christian woman and you haven't heard of Jen Hatmaker, you might be living under a rock. Her previous books (7, Interrupted, For The Love, etc) have been bestsellers, accompanied by rave reviews and scores of Christian women following Jen on social media and attending conferences where she speaks. My first exposure to Jen Hatmaker was when her book Interrupted came out several years ago. I read it when it came out and mostly loved it. I loved her honesty, her heart for the poor, her

    If you're a Christian woman and you haven't heard of Jen Hatmaker, you might be living under a rock. Her previous books (7, Interrupted, For The Love, etc) have been bestsellers, accompanied by rave reviews and scores of Christian women following Jen on social media and attending conferences where she speaks. My first exposure to Jen Hatmaker was when her book Interrupted came out several years ago. I read it when it came out and mostly loved it. I loved her honesty, her heart for the poor, her heart for being the hands and feet of Jesus in real and practical ways to the church and to the community at large. However, since then she seems to have slipped further and further away from the traditional Gospel of Jesus and closer and closer to what some might term "emergent" theology, capped off with her public announcement that she believes same sex marriages are holy and that God blesses them. I decided to give her newest book, Of Mess And Moxie: Wrangling Delight Out Of This Wild And Glorious Life a shot just to be fair since I did really enjoy Interrupted. Unfortunately, there wasn't much redeemable about this book. Of Mess And Moxie is a series of extremely disjointed essays on wildly different topics, with several funny "How To" sections interspersed randomly throughout the book. It felt like she couldn't pick a coherent theme for the book, and jumped around from topic to topic with nothing really tying it all together. I hate writing negative reviews and I want to extend as much grace as possible to Jen, but I also need to be completely honest, so here goes - the good, the bad, and the ugly:

    I'll start with all the good things first, because it kills me to write a negative review of anyone's book - it makes me feel bad. On the positive side, I loved the handful of recipes Jen included (Jen's Grocery Store Day Super Sandwich, Panang Chicken Curry, various smoothie recipes, Aunt Carol's Crunch Salad, Buffalo Chicken Dip, Bacon-Wrapped Stuffed Dates, Fried Chicken Sliders With Honey Dijonnaise) and am excited to make them. I'm a big foodie and I LOVE to cook, so this was a fun addition for me. I also enjoyed many of the hilarious How-To lists (there are four collections of these scattered throughout the book), especially "How To Shop At Target", "How To Plan A Family", "How To Get Your Husband To Fix That Thing He's Been Saying For Three Months That He'd Fix", "How To Ensure People Feel Compelled To Pop In For A Visit", "How To Find A Family Pet", and "How To Find A Missing Child". Jen is a gifted writer and very funny. I enjoy reading her hilarious real life stories and can relate to many of them. She seems like someone that would be super fun to hang out with and is obviously very earnest in her beliefs and wants to minister to women and help women grow and cultivate friendships. I did highlight a handful of insights that I found helpful, such as her discussion of God not giving us a spirit of fear on pages 39-40. This really spoke to me and I appreciated her insight there. The other part I really enjoyed was the last chapter, Rewoven (pages 243-250). Jen takes the story of Joseph and shows how God rewove all the tattered shreds of his life into something good, and He will do the same for us. That was an encouragement to my heart. The cover of the book is also super cute!

    Now on to the problems...

    I started off by reading the praise in the beginning for the book. Instead of using celebrity endorsements, she opted to use endorsements from her "tribe" - her Facebook group/launch team. I like seeing reviews from real people, so this seemed nice - until I started reading them. With multiple mentions of craft beer and drinking wine, Netflix, irreverence, and "feeling all the feelings", it was pretty clear that the target audience for this book is upper-middle-class hipsters in their 30s-40s (not my demographic - I'm in my early 30s, but decidedly not a hipster in any way, shape, or form, and sadly not upper-middle-class). Never fear though, the reviewers didn't write the book, Jen did, so I'm not going to judge a book by its reviewers.

    Then I started turning the pages. I ran into problems just in the Introduction - she immediately mentions drinking alcohol, then proceeds to call out and publicly shame a woman who wrote a warning against Jen's ministry/theology/etc, calling her "an older gal" (right after saying this book is for all ladies, young and old), and calling it a "church-lady-finger-wagging article". This made me feel super, super uncomfortable as Jen's mantra is supposedly being all-inclusive and grace-filled/loving to EVERYONE. However, the Introduction closes on a high note of stating that we don't have to wait for a Someday Life to enjoy the life we have right here in front of us and promises to show us how we can find our moxie in the middle of our boring, ordinary lives. Pushing away my uneasiness and feeling mildly inspired, I went ahead and turned to the first chapter.

    Things got more and more difficult from there. On page 2 of the book, there is a curse word. In fact, at final count, the book contains at least five different curse words throughout. I'm pretty surprised a Christian publisher (Thomas Nelson) is okay with publishing a Christian book with cursing sprinkled throughout, but maybe that's just me. All I know is that I expect Christian books to be edifying, and cursing is not really aligned with that goal - James 3:10 immediately came to mind ("Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.). It felt like she was trying to be edgy and cool (I'm a Christian, but I can still curse!) but it left me with a bad taste in my mouth (no pun intended). She also comes off as very irreverent in many of her comments.

    Moving on, the next thing I noticed was the near-constant positive reference to drinking alcohol. Jen appears to glamorize drinking throughout the book. She talks up Happy Hour with friends, drinking wine at home, going out for margaritas, and more, over and over and over again. In this 254 page book, drinking alcohol is mentioned (in a positive light, and glamorized) at least 30 times. In fact, it's mentioned in nearly every chapter. Let that sink in for a minute ... especially for those of us who come from alcoholic homes, families, and/or have struggled with drinking ourselves before getting saved. Romans 14:21 kept playing through my mind as I read this book: "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." Not only does Jen make it seem like it's a-ok for Christians to drink alcohol frequently, she normalizes it and makes you feel as if you're missing out on something fun and exciting if you don't partake. This is egregious to me in a culture where drinking is such a serious issue that many people, Christians and non-Christians, struggle with. The Bible has much to say about alcohol and drunkenness: Ephesians 5:18 (And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;) which suggests you are not filled with the Holy Spirit when you are filled with wine; the story from Genesis 9 where Noah gets drunk and his son exposes his nakedness; Genesis 19 where Lot gets drunk and his daughters sleep with him and become pregnant by him; Leviticus 10:9 (and many others) warning against drinking "wine and strong drink"; Proverbs 20:1 which warns "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."; Proverbs 23:20 which warns, "Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:"; Proverbs 23:29-35 which is very clear about the problems with wine and alcohol ("Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.") I understand some Christians believe that you may drink alcohol so long as you do not get drunk - as the Bible is extremely clear that drunkenness is a sin - but I refer back to Romans 14:21 and not causing unbelievers, new believers, and non-Christians to stumble, or to give a bad testimony.

    But moving on from alcohol, another issue I have with Jen is her seeming to be wishy-washy and flip-flopping constantly. Over the past decade or so she's gone from a traditional preacher's wife holding orthodox positions, to a minimalist, to a social justice warrior and advocate for the poor, to her current position(s). She even states "When people read my books out of order, they are like, Wait, what?" A warning bell went off as James 1:8 popped into my mind: "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." She seems to have a problem nailing down one belief system to live by, and while I completely understand and advocate for growth and healthy, positive change, certain things don't change. We have the Bible as our unchangeable, unerring guide to life and certain things are set in stone. Her constant changing is a warning sign to me that she's not stable minded.

    Another disturbing thread woven throughout the book is Jen's dismissing of salvation, repentance, and sanctification and emphasis on "love" and "grace". On page 82, in the midst of a discussion about loving sinners, she writes, "You can love truly, without conditions, without agenda, without a fork in the road, without disapproval, without fear, without obligation. You can love someone with a different ideology, different religious conviction, different sexual identity, ideas, background, ethnicity, opinions, different anything. You can love someone society condemns. You can love someone the church condemns. You have no other responsibility than to represent Jesus well, which should leave that person feeling absurdly loved, welcomed, cherished. There is no other end game. You are not anyone's savior; you are a sister." While this sounds good and lovely and Christlike on the surface, in reality it is not entirely true. There is a kernel of truth to it - Jesus calls us to love our neighbor as ourselves (Matthew 22:39) and says that people will know we are Christians because of how we love (John 13:35). However, Jesus never just loved people and left them in their sin. He loved them, but required repentance - such as the story of the woman at the well when Jesus doesn't condemn her, but tells her to go and sin no more (John 8:11). Jesus never leaves someone in their sin without calling for repentance of that sin. We can love people abundantly, but we are commanded to share the Gospel with everyone so that they can repent and be saved, such as in the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20). And we are never called to have our closest advisers and closest friends be unsaved people. In fact, the Bible warns of this over and over: "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14); "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" (Amos 3:3); "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful." (Psalm 1:1); "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." (1 Corinthians 5:11); "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself." (Titus 3:10-11); etc. People should feel welcomed, accepted, and loved in our churches, homes, and lives, but not to the exclusion of overlooking sin or preaching the whole counsel of God. We don't want people to die and go to hell because we didn't share the full Gospel with them so that we wouldn't make them uncomfortable or appear unloving - in fact, I believe is is more unloving to NOT share the full Gospel of Jesus Christ with people for fear of offending them, because their eternal soul is on the line.

    Finally, Jen advocates for women preaching and holding leadership positions in the church (page 127), which is clearly forbidden in the Bible, in 1 Timothy 2:12 and other places: "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." Women should absolutely teach and train other women as Titus 2 suggests, but should not be preaching from the pulpit on a Sunday morning or leading men in the church. This is clearly unbiblical. She also references watching a number of TV shows that I would consider a bit inappropriate (Breaking Bad, Parenthood, etc) and references them in a positive light. The entire tone of the book seems worldly, rather than pointing to Christ and the new life we can have in Him.

    Overall, Of Mess And Moxie is heavy on the superficial and fluff and very low on Scripture, biblical applications, and edification. The Bible and Jesus are rarely mentioned and seem to almost be an afterthought in certain portions. If you took out a few handfuls of sentences, it could be a completely secular book. It's fun to read and seems good on the surface, but lacks any true depth or biblical underpinnings. It reminds me of 2 Timothy 3:5-7: "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

    If you are a Christian woman looking for a book to edify you and encourage you in your walk with the Lord, I unfortunately cannot really recommend this book. There are many, many wonderful (and funny!) books geared toward Christian women that are scripturally sound and have a ton to glean from, but this isn't one of them. I gave it 2 stars because there are some redeeming qualities, but the overarching problems are too many to recommend it. It might be a fun and lighthearted book for a mature Christian woman rooted in her faith to read (chew on the meat and spit out the bones), but I wouldn't recommend it to a new or baby Christian. I'm sure this won't be a popular review, but I just can't get behind much of Jen Hatmaker's theology. She unfortunately seems to have gone off the rails with this one.

    I received a copy of this book from BookLook Bloggers in order to provide an honest and unbiased review. All opinions are my own.

  • Hannah

    Somewhere along the way I got the idea that Jen Hatmaker was mainstream and orthodox. I had seen her books around and had the idea that she wasn’t really anything radical...just another nice women’s teacher. But then last year I heard of her response to the Nashville Statement and I have to say I was absolutely floored.

    So then this book came out and hit the bestseller lists and was very present in the bookstore. I love the cover and I loved the premise, so I cracked the cover to see what she is

    Somewhere along the way I got the idea that Jen Hatmaker was mainstream and orthodox. I had seen her books around and had the idea that she wasn’t really anything radical...just another nice women’s teacher. But then last year I heard of her response to the Nashville Statement and I have to say I was absolutely floored.

    So then this book came out and hit the bestseller lists and was very present in the bookstore. I love the cover and I loved the premise, so I cracked the cover to see what she is like. Right away, she was outgoing, personality plus, and very sure of her own opinion. So far so good. Witty. But then little things popped up, then bigger things. Hang on and I’ll mention the reasons I left the book at the bookstore. I read the beginning section and then various other sections through the book to see if it got any better.

    -She is actually quite snobby. While preaching about love she refers to people who don’t agree with her in terms like “The pointy-finger old church lady” and describes how she and her pals made fun of her. She speaks from an area of affluence and talks about all the little things that get on her nerves...really, in the end, I know she has struggled with the idea of affluence before because she wrote 7, but her complaints are mainly very very first-world complaints. It sets a tone that, although humorous, is irksome to someone like me who is working three jobs to make ends meet as a single woman. And I feel like she’d laugh at me and find a name to call me if she heard me disagree with her opinion.

    -Drinking. This one was a big one for me. I don’t think it’s wrong to drink as long as it isn’t to the point of drunkenness, but alcoholism is a huge problem in society, and for a spiritual leader to have it so present can lead others into thinking it’s okay to drink all the time until it’s too late and they are addicted. Seriously, every chapter had mention of wine or drinks or something of the sort. If a recovering alcoholic got their hands on this book I’d hate to see the consequences, because it’s portrayed as a normal and enjoyable and expected part of relaxation and friendship.

    -“White lies.” I didn’t see her use the term, but throughout the book are multiple instances of her using deception and/or manipulation to gain the end she wants. It seems harmless to do one’s child’s schoolwork for them when they run out of time, right? Seems necessary to grab a hammer and pretend to be ready to fix something around the house in order to get one’s husband off the couch and ready to fix something? But it’s clear from her humorous commentary that she does these things for the purpose of getting the job done by someone other than herself (then why pretend to do it?) and so that her kid can get a passing grade (it’s not the kid that just passed the grade, it’s you who did. Woo hoo, graduated adult....) By having us laugh at cute/funny/whimsical bits like this, it cheapens the effects of truth and deception and makes deceptive behavior acceptable. Yes, the famous lists are laughable and relatable. But to say that she actually does some of those things lends a stamp of approval to that type of behavior. Other people will hush the voice of conscience because Jen does it too and they laughed over it with Jen.

    -Cussing. Taking the Lord’s name in vain and using forceful vulgarities.

    -Put-down of Jesus. “Hey, pray straight to God when you have marriage troubles. Jesus wouldn’t get it because he wasn’t married.” UHHHHHH. 1) Jesus understands everything 2) When was God married?

    So that was where I put it aside. Evidently not for me.

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